Google Closes Adsense Account - Google Gets Sued - Google LOSES!
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No I’m not keyword stuffing the title, but it has a good effect. And no it’s not my Google adsense account either; no reason to close what’s not in use.
As I was making some rounds this morning I came across my buddy Mike at IM Is Easy and he had a VERY interesting story to share (not his account either).
Now I’m not a Google hater per-say, but most will agree that it’s always satisfying to hear of David taking a piece of Goliath, even if just a small piece…..$721 in this case.
Read the full story (new window). Pay close attention to the end where Google’s paralegal protested (quite loudly I’m sure), “What if everyone whose account was canceled sued Google?”
An intriguing question to be sure. What do you think?
Dennis
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March 7th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Wow, now that’s interesting read. I wonder if this is going to send a barrage of claims into the Google legal department.
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
@Christine Senter, Perhaps Darren Rowse and a few of his 100K subscriber buddies should write it up…or better yet, those like Perry Marshall.
JR @ Internet Marketing Strate Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
@Dennis Edell
LOL, for real!
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Sire Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
@Christine Senter, Only if people thought they were hard done by, and only if there was enough money in the account for them to worry about. I’m surprised he had so much in the account. I have mine set up so I get a check as soon as it reaches $100
Sire´s last blog post..Punishing Those Who Do Not Adhere To The Comment Policy
Christine Senter Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
@Sire, LOL. I know, me too. I don’t think I’ve made that much from Adsense to date.
Christine Senter´s last blog post..Shameless Self Promotion
Sire Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
@Christine Senter, You’ll get there, and when you do you will probably shock us all with the amount of money you will be pulling in. Google may have to even give you a controlling interest in their shares and when they do, just remember the Aussie bloke who has always looked up to you.
Sire´s last blog post..WassupBlog’s February Stats
Christine Senter Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
@Sire, Don’t you mean the Aussie bloke who showed me the world of blogging in the first place. Remember my friend, it was your blogging at BlogFeast that got me started doing all this.
Just look what you did. LOL
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Sire Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 12:20 am
@Christine Senter, Heck, I was just trying to impress all the ladies.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 6:31 am
@Christine Senter,
Oh crap now this really sucks. You mean I have to THANK Sire for you being here?!?!?!?!
Oh man.
(Just to cover myself here, that was a jab at Sire, not you) hehe.
Sire Reply:
March 10th, 2009 at 1:46 am
@Dennis Edell, That must have really hurt, huh Dennis
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 10th, 2009 at 8:02 am
@Sire, I haven’t actually said it.
Sire Reply:
March 10th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
@Dennis Edell, Hey, it’s the thought that counts.
Sire´s last blog post..The Quest For A Blogger’s Favorite Posts
Ben Pei Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
@Christine Senter, Actually Christine, just try to have more than one niche website and you probably see your earnings double and triple. That way you get your check pretty soon!
Ben Pei´s last blog post..5 Scorching Hot Tips On Succeeding In Affiliate Marketing
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
@Sire,
I dunno, I’ve heard many stories of being shut down with 1000’s in the account.
Sire Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
@Dennis Edell, Well, that just goes to show that when dealing with Google you shouldn’t let your money accumulate. Gee why leave it in there anyway, and if you don’t need it, log on my Blog and buy me a Beer.
Sire´s last blog post..WassupBlog’s February Stats
GrowMap Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
@Sire, You don’t “leave” the money in the account; they send it to you monthly.
GrowMap´s last blog post..REVIEW: Mastering Google Analytics - Contents of Their FREE eCourse
Sire Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
@GrowMap, I know, but can’t you set how much can accumulate in the account before they send it out to you? I just figured they set it for a higher amount.
Sire´s last blog post..WassupBlog’s February Stats
GrowMap Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
@Sire, Yes I believe you can but doubt that anyone does - especially if they’re earning hundreds or thousands per month. Everyone does know that Yahoo has a similar program and there are many others now too, right?
GrowMap´s last blog post..REVIEW: Mastering Google Analytics - Contents of Their FREE eCourse
Sire Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
@GrowMap, Yeah, I keep forgetting that there are people who make so much money, although I didn’t think that the guy who had the $700 fit into that category.
Sire´s last blog post..WassupBlog’s February Stats
GrowMap Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
@Sire, I personally know someone who makes multiple six figures a year with AdSense and even more with other ad programs. He has hundreds of niche sites to do that.
My old horse site made right around $400 a month every month because I created content pages specifically for keyword phrases I knew had higher than average bids. That was years ago before they started lowering the payouts though so I don’t know what it would make today if it still existed.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 6:33 am
@Sire,
Hahahahaha not me man.
Now I’m assuming it’s people that made thousands all in the same ,month before getting shut down….isn’t it automatically sent to you at the end of each month once you’re over a certain amount?
Sire Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 1:31 am
@Dennis Edell, I suppose it depends on what that amount is set to. Tell you what though, I would love to be one of those guys that can make thousands every month, as then I would not need to rely on people like you buying me a beer.
Sire´s last blog post..Seven Things About Me You May Not Know
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 7:20 am
@Sire, I’m just looking out for you pal ‘o mine, drinking is evil ya know.
Sire Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 12:36 am
@Dennis Edell, OK, in that case, stuff the beer and buy me a cappuccino.
Sire´s last blog post..Seven Things About Me You May Not Know
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 9:08 am
@Sire, Way to much sugar and caffeine dude, you’re too juiced as it is.
Sire Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
@Dennis Edell, OK, but are you not making assumptions, a) that I use sugar, and b) that I don’t drink decaf?
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 14th, 2009 at 11:20 am
@Sire, Nope I have no idea what goes in; “juiced” was a general term.
almir Reply:
May 5th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
@Christine Senter, let’s just say this big brother will eliminate anything else he does as they had to pay a man money they didn’t have to since it states in google’s tos that they can eliminate your account for any reason without having to pay you any of the money that was in your current account
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March 7th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Great story, lol, what if??? What a concept? I personally love Google Adsense and knock on wood, hope to have a long and fruitfull relationship with them!
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
@JR @ Internet Marketing Strate,
I think you need to come ’round more often. My blog didn’t recognize you and threw you into moderation!
JR @ Internet Marketing Strate Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
@Dennis Edell
I know, I am so sorry, I have been really neglecting all my regular blog visits lately, just launched 4 new sites and it’s so much work, that I am tearing my hair out!
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
@JR @ Internet Marketing Strate,
Niche sites? You’re such a tease since I know you ain’t gonna show ‘em.
LOL
JR @ Internet Marketing Strate Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
@Dennis Edell
Lol, secrets are a girl’s best friend!
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
@JR @ Internet Marketing Strate,
I thought that was diamonds? Sadly secrets are usually more expensive.
JR @ Internet Marketing Strate Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
@Dennis Edell
I can’t afford diamonds, so I have to settle for secrets and yes many of them they usually cost a lot more in the end. Dennis, did you get my reply to your question re tags, I sent it the same day?
JR @ Internet Marketing Strate´s last blog post..Want Ultimate Backlinks - Then This Is A Must Read!
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
@JR @ Internet Marketing Strate,
Yes I did, thanks! So sorry for the delay, I’ll really try to get to it today cause I’m not done.
hehe
JR @ Internet Marketing Strate Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
@Dennis Edell
No prob, just wanted to make sure you got it
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Ben Pei Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
@JR @ Internet Marketing Strate, Yes JR! I never saw you since… God k nows when!
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JR @ Internet Marketing Strate Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
@Ben Pei,
I know, well you know what it takes to start new campaigns and I got several going on at the same time!
JR @ Internet Marketing Strate´s last blog post..Want Ultimate Backlinks - Then This Is A Must Read!
March 7th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Sadly I don’t think a $760 loss will cause Google to change their policies.
Hmmm Ned Thinks to himself . . . “Is this the place to use Dennis’ Comment Luv trick. I could forge a comment luv that says Matt Cutts latest post - Why Google hates Dennis Edell ” . . . Oops did I say that out loud? You didn’t hear that did you?
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JR @ Internet Marketing Strate Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
@Ned Carey
LMAO, yes you did say that outloud, HA HA!!
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
@Ned Carey,
“Sadly I don’t think a $760 loss will cause Google to change their policies.”
In this viral day, that’s the horrid thinking of many customer service outfits, that end up bringing a company to it’s knees eventually.
“I only pissed off one customer, I swear!” Uh huh. LOL
As for Cutts. pfft whatever.
March 7th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Dumb litigator, if Google actually could show a reason for the termination of an account they would of won but as it seems no reason exists and so they lost.
Now that he got his money back, I wonder if he went and joined Chitika or something, I certainly wouldn’t have given the satisfaction of running their ads. We do hold the balance of power as far as Google is concerned. If they piss off enough webmasters and bloggers and we all walked off and went to the opposition, you watch how fast they change their TOS and shit.
Sire´s last blog post..WassupBlog’s February Stats
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
@Sire,
I was shocked to read “Googles paralegal”. No offense to paralegals, but I would think Google would have much higher powered attorneys. Although it was small claims court I guess.
That’s what I was saying to Ned above, it all starts with one man. LOL
Sire Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
@Dennis Edell, If I recall they were not allowed to have a lawyer because it was a small claims court, otherwise they would have sent the big guns.
Sire´s last blog post..WassupBlog’s February Stats
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 6:36 am
@Sire,
Well hell, they may not change the whole TOS but I’m thinkin there’s way more little guys (small claims little) then big fish to worry about.
If ALL little guys sued - yea that could really sting, ya know?
Ned Carey Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 11:16 am
@Dennis Edell,
That’s what class action suits are about. All the little guys get together and sue. No one gets anything except the lawyers, but at least it wakes up the big companies.
Ned Carey´s last blog post..Webinar Teaser
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
@Ned Carey, “but at least it wakes up the big companies.” that’s the hope anyway lol.
It definitely sounds like a good idea.
Sire Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 1:46 am
@Dennis Edell, What if all the little guys got together and decided they would no longer display adsense?
Sire´s last blog post..Seven Things About Me You May Not Know
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 7:18 am
@Sire, Yes indeed my friend, yes indeed. If people started to look for alternative in mass, Google may have no choice but to rethink a few things.
March 7th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Dennis,
I could relate very well to this story. My adsense account was closed just after 2 months which happened more than a year ago and the reason Google gave was also that my account posed “a significant risk” to advertisers. I didn’t do anything and possibly too new to know how to game the system even if there was a way anyway. About 5 months ago I wrote in to Google to ask for the real reason and appealed to get my account reinstated. Again it fell on deaf ears and it still said my account was “a significant risk” to advertisers”. Not sure it the reply came from a human or an android. Yeah maybe with this sued story I could appeal to Google one more time and this time I’ll quote this sued incident. Perhaps someone in Google will take a closer look at my case (sigh).
Peter Lee
Peter@passive income ideas´s last blog post..Make Clickbank Your Alternative To Google Adsense
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
@Peter@passive income ideas,
It’s worth a shot with nothing left to lose. Let us know if you give it a go!
March 7th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Great find, Dennis. One of the most honest bloggers I know - who is not even active online as he is taking a short sabbatical - just had HIS AdSense account closed. No reason given and no answer to his appeal so far.
It is about time Google had to answer to somebody else! I wonder if anyone who appealed has ever had their account reactivated? I’d love to hear from anyone who has. (Leave a comment here and I’ll see it.)
GrowMap´s last blog post..REVIEW: Mastering Google Analytics - Contents of Their FREE eCourse
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
@GrowMap,
Your friend wasn’t active but were his adsense sites online? Someone else could have easily done him in by clicking away on them.
Ned Carey Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
@Dennis Edell,
I didn’t think about that. If one person is clicking an abnormal amount on one site that won’t be good for advertisers. Even if nothing wrong is done by the site owner Google won’t like it.
Google prob knows the ip addresses of whoever clicks. They may see patterns that indicate. “You click mine and I’ll click yours”
Ned Carey´s last blog post..Webinar Teaser
GrowMap Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
@Dennis, Yes, his AdSense ads were online. What I meant by inactive was that he isn’t currently blogging and he is definitely wise enough that I’m sure he didn’t click any ads on his own sites.
If Google is disabling accounts because visitors to a site are committing click fraud that is ridiculous. Their system can easily defeat extra clicks and no site owner can control what their visitors are doing.
They are VERY quick to disable accounts and I don’t recall EVER hearing of them reinstating one. If they have surely someone will come by and let us know.
I know some may get tired of hearing it but I’m warning everyone that Google has FAR too much power. Most sites and online stores get 60-70% or more of their traffic from Google. Because of that Google can put them out of business any time, either intentionally or because some algorithm slaps them.
Every person needs to seriously find a way to diversify their sources of traffic. We need to find other ways to search. And we need to support each others’ efforts and businesses.
We can change the world if we will just change what we support and what we buy while we still have some choices.
GrowMap´s last blog post..REVIEW: Mastering Google Analytics - Contents of Their FREE eCourse
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 6:40 am
@Ned Carey, “You click mine and I’ll click yours”
There is that, but you also have competitors doing it on purpose to cause trouble.
Ned Carey Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 11:27 am
@Dennis,
Well again they should know who is clicking by IP address and penalize the guy clicking not the site.
DIfferent topic - The message about the comment policy doesn’t show up in a reply box like this.
@Growmap,
>Most sites and online stores get 60-70% or more of their traffic from Google.
With that kind of market share it could be argued that Google has monopoly powers. It might be interesting to see them in court about that. Of course the justice dept and the courts really screwed up in the Microsoft case. I guess interesting doesn’t mean better.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
@Ned Carey, “DIfferent topic - The message about the comment policy doesn’t show up in a reply box like this. ”
I’m not sure what you’re telling me here?
GrowMap Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
@Ned Carey, They absolutely DO have a monopoly on search and ppc. I wonder it that isn’t by design. Surely both Yahoo and Microsoft can NOT be so incompetent that they have been unable to compete all this time and still can’t. Their ppc programs are a joke.
The better an online store does SEO the more traffic they get from Google search and the more risk they have.
The better they do with ppc the more traffic they get from Google and the more risk they have.
Any time Google wants to increase their earnings they drop organic listings to drive ppc spending up. And that is NOT the only way Google takes money from advertisers.
I made a VERY good living in ppc until what Google was doing became so obvious that I wasn’t willing to advise people to take such risks and set out to find ways to diversify traffic.
I challenge anyone to name an online store that Google can’t severely damage or put out of business. If anyone has found another way to replace that traffic I’m all ears. Please do come to my blog and tell me what you’re doing.
GrowMap´s last blog post..REVIEW: Mastering Google Analytics - Contents of Their FREE eCourse
Derek Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
@GrowMap, Thought that I would update here as I am the blogger noted in this comment and received a response from Google today regarding my disabled account.
As you can guess, my appeal was denied and the message indicated “Thanks for providing us with additional information. However, after thoroughly reviewing your account data and taking your feedback into consideration, we’ve re-confirmed that your account poses a significant risk to our advertisers. For this reason, we’re unable to reinstate your account. Thank you for your understanding.”
As GrowMap noted, I have been taking a break from my blogs and have certainly not been out there clicking my own ads. My earnings have been pretty steady in the range of ~$100 per month and the month of March was off to a typical start. The only change I made recently was that I paused all of my AdWords campaigns, but I doubt (or should I say hope) that there is any correlation.
So my account has been disabled and my appeal has been denied. Nobody has been able to give me an answer as to why my account has been disabled and it certainly wasn’t anything that I was doing, nor do my statistics even support anything unusual that anyone else was doing. Yet somehow I still pose a significant risk to advertisers.
One of the most frustrating parts of the whole process is that I cannot even log into my account to view the reports to see if there last day or two prior to the account being disabled had any suspicious click activity.
Thanks for making mention of this article and providing the forum for discussion. I’ll be happy to answer any questions about my account being disabled, however there aren’t many details to go on. =)
Derek´s last blog post..Where Did You Come From, Where Did You Go :: January 2009
GrowMap Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
@Derek, I am really sorry to hear that but am not surprised as I have never heard of any successful appeal ever. There ARE alternatives. I’ll be researching them and will post the results in hopes others will come by and share what has worked for them.
Google has far too much power and there is not anything any of us can do about it except use alternatives as much as possible. I just saw some Tweets today about someone using Twitter search and Tweets instead of search to find whatever they want online. Might be worth a try.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 10th, 2009 at 8:18 am
@GrowMap,
If I were to research appeals, I may start at some of the guru hangouts like HowToCorp (Michael Greens forum), or the Warrior forum; places like that.
Just brainstorming here.
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 10th, 2009 at 8:16 am
@Derek,
Hi Derek, welcome to my little community; I really appreciate you stopping by and I hope to see you around more often.
I’m sorry to hear the tail like so many. Unfortunately I’m sure we all agree with Growmap in not being very surprised at the outcome.
Derek Reply:
March 10th, 2009 at 8:39 am
@Dennis Edell, Thank you for the welcome; I look forward to hanging around more and participating in the discussion.
As noted, I don’t think we should be surprised at the outcome and as GrowMap notes, now it is time for me to investigate alternatives and not ever look back.
Derek´s last blog post..Where Did You Come From, Where Did You Go :: January 2009
March 7th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
To the question I agree with Aaron Greenspan, “Maybe everyone whose account was canceled, should [sue].”
I just lost my Amazon.com associate’s account for something I didn’t do. It’s ridicules that these large companies think it’s reasonable to ignore customer service and the LAW because ‘they are too big’. If they’re too big to run properly they should be broken up into parts and given to me and Dennis to run
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Peter@passive income ideas Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 12:26 am
@Brian D. Hawkins, Yay! well said Brian, perhaps we can start a post to collect all those names with adsense accounts cancelled by Google for no rhyme or reason….and collectively sue Google. Now won’t that be something.
Peter
Peter@passive income ideas´s last blog post..Make Clickbank Your Alternative To Google Adsense
Brian D. Hawkins Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
@Peter, That’s about the only way I’ll make any real money from them Peter. My AdSense earnings went from about $300/month to a hundred dollar check every six or eight months. I have all but stoped running the ads but may start again with niche sites.
Brian D. Hawkins´s last blog post..If You Are Not Growing You Are Failing
GrowMap Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
@Peter@passive income ideas, That is not a bad idea. Set up a post and let us know. You do know though that Google may retaliate. Many will not sue Google because they can put them out of business.
@Brian Google keeps their income going by squeezing us on both ends. They charge AdWords users for junk traffic and set up their system to keep spending levels up when advertisers start limiting advertising spend. And they lower payouts to publishers.
I recently shared an interview post with Google where they said “they can’t imagine” their income going down. What I’ve just typed is why it doesn’t go down. They control both sides of the equation and can artificially inflate earnings at the expense of those using their systems.
Instead of using AdSense consider the alternatives. There are many of them now. We should do a study and see which pay best.
GrowMap´s last blog post..REVIEW: Mastering Google Analytics - Contents of Their FREE eCourse
Ben Pei Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
@Peter@passive income ideas,
Yeah Peter, google is being paranoid about this and cancelling alot of accounts for no reason and provides no explanation of any sort.
Ben Pei´s last blog post..5 Scorching Hot Tips On Succeeding In Affiliate Marketing
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 6:45 am
@Peter@passive income ideas, Like a civil action suit….interesting idea actually.
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
@Brian D. Hawkins,
I remember that Amazon story and you’re right; BIG sure as hell don’t mean infallible and immutable.
I dunno about the other idea….starting a business being hated? Might take a while to overcome lol..
GrowMap Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
@Brian D. Hawkins, Sounds like a good idea to me. We could do it ourselves by simply spending our time and money with small businesses instead of corporations.
I recently commented on a post recommending promoting Wal-Mart of all things. With all the bad publicity Wal-Mart generates doesn’t get the general public to shop elsewhere the odds of improving our economy aren’t very good.
If you don’t know what I’m talking about check out Dead Peasant insurance or Wal-Mart Watch.
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March 8th, 2009 at 12:34 am
I guess that Google can close my account on Adsense an I wouldn’t missed them since I am just earning cents from them.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
@Paul U,
Earning power is encompassed by how and where you use it. Keep going, it may get better as you learn more.
March 8th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Interesting post made by Mike….Thanks a lot for sharing… Can I know how to you find such blog posts…Do you go in search of them???
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
@Harish,
I subscribe to many. When I do search for more, I use things like Entrecard where sll the niches are displayed nice and neat for me to pick and choose.
March 8th, 2009 at 9:56 am
OMG… I could say that a hundred times over. I thought that E-Bay was bad!. Now, I am a big fan of Google’s put a story like this leaves me scratching my head… OMG!
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 8th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
@gwen,
eBay is a different type of bad, and yet the same story….too big for their own head.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:30 am
thanks for sharing this post. This is interesting post!
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March 8th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Well — if everybody won, I suppose it would take down the goliath. But there would be positive and negative aspects to that, even if you consider it a “win.”
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March 8th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
I just came across this post, very interesting indeed.
I can’t see Google losing too much sleep about the one individual account (case) but, as Google’s para-legal stated, “What if everyone whose account was canceled sued Google?”.. now, I do think they’ll be thinking about this for a while to come!
Karl
Karl Foxley´s last blog post..Top 10 Newbie Starter Kit for Affiliate and Online Marketers
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 6:48 am
@Karl Foxley, Welcome to the community Karl!
You’re right, if it just stayed at one, no biggie. But on the flip, all you need is one to start something.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Damn google is just going to go into the bad book for this. Many lost their earnings or rather long term earning opportunity when their accounts get closed.
Ben Pei´s last blog post..5 Scorching Hot Tips On Succeeding In Affiliate Marketing
March 9th, 2009 at 5:31 am
Maybe its time Google set up a better appeal process rather than just to say their decision is final and then they wont find themselves in the situation of having to go to court the next time an account is closed.
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 6:49 am
@khaled, They probably would if something like this snowballed…hopefully for them, not too late.
khaled Reply:
March 10th, 2009 at 4:58 am
@Dennis Edell,
Maybe some good will come form the experience and the system will become fairer, or certainly there will be some kind of appeal not just Googles final word.
Dennis Edell Reply:
March 10th, 2009 at 7:58 am
@khaled, That’s always the hope my friend, thanks for the input.
March 9th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Well, that was an interesting reading, thakns.
March 9th, 2009 at 8:18 am
[...] a quick almost useless post today. Certainly not to detract from my last post on Google getting sued, which seems to be gaining popularity (shocker, eh?). I say almost as some may find it quite [...]
March 9th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Very interesting infomations! Thanks for share it!
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 8:55 am
@clickktdotcom, Welcome to the community!
However, I just fished 3 of your comments out of Akismets spam filter, please check the comment policy linked below and comment accordingly in the future.
Ned Carey Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
@Dennis Edell,
You may be interested in Yan’s comment on his own blog to this guy
>Yan Said: “Hey dude,
You’ve been leaving one line comments that don’t add to the conversation at all. Not only on this blog but a lot of other blogs as well.”
He left three comments on my blog too. My guess is he knows many people set lucia’s link love to 3 comments to be do follow.
I had approved one and after reading Yan’s comment sent the other two to Akismet.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
@Ned Carey, Figures. I delinked the links before approving, I’ll wait to see if he replied.
March 9th, 2009 at 10:51 am
That’s incredible. I can’t believe that Google allowed themselves to lose, seems like they would never have to pay out $ in court.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
@BB, Welcome to the community! It goes to show what getting fed up can do though.
Btw, I initialed your name in accordance with the comment policy. Please check the link below for further comments, thanks!
GrowMap Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
@BB, Winning in court is one thing; collecting is another. Perhaps though in the case of Google that won’t be as big an issue. For many, winning in court rarely results in actually seeing any money.
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March 9th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
hey Dennis,
Steve, the frequently-puzzled trade show guru
It’s probably good I’m not a judge, because I don’t understand this. I though private company were private. It may upset people, but I don’t think there’s any law saying that google must keep someone’s adsense account open. I’m kind of puzzled by this… but I’m puzzled by a lot of things…
PS. I’m reading the original story now… it finally loaded… but it’s long!
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March 9th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
hey Dennis,
) I guess it pays to read before spouting off. ~ Steve, the changed-his-mind trade show guru
I read the story and hereby retract my defense of google above. I didn’t realize that the guy had already earned the money, and now google was saying that they weren’t going to pay him because of “fraud” but they couldn’t say what the “fraud’ supposedly was (having brown eyes?
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 10th, 2009 at 8:06 am
@Steve | Trade Show Guru,
Since you posted and retracted before I got here, there isn’t much to add; didn’t want you thinking I ignored you though lol.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:42 am
Good find, Dennis, and finally, the “little guy” got some justice. I’m thinking there’s a bunch of people who should sue for different reasons, especially the one where they won’t tell you why they’ve dropped you.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 10th, 2009 at 8:01 am
@Mitch, It kinda reminds me of the old “debtor prison” stories where they’d lock you up until your debt was paid, but you couldn’t pay while being locked up.
No sense to be found anywhere…
Mitch Reply:
May 3rd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
@Dennis Edell, I wonder if people can sue for losing page rank just because they’re doing what Google does and accepts paid advertising on their sites; hmmm,…
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Dennis Edell Reply:
May 3rd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
@Mitch, Here’s the flaw as I see it…
Google penalizes paid do follow because they don’t want it to manipulate rankings unfairly…if they charge for advertising who does it help or hurt…they’re already on Google. lol
Mitch Reply:
May 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
@Dennis Edell, Oh, I understand the issue, Dennis, but at the same time, Google already has algorithms that supposedly know when a link is to something that’s not related to a site, and gives it less “juice”, so to speak, than a link that has a related topic. So, I don’t really see why they should care.
Then again, I do still stick with the thing that says I don’t really care about page rank. It’s such an arbitrary thing, as we’ve both seen some websites that are junk sitting there with a PR 5 or 6, whereas some great sites with great content are sitting at a 2 or 3. As long as they’re not penalizing people by deindexing them, then it’s all good.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
May 4th, 2009 at 9:30 am
@Mitch, It all breaks down pretty simple for me. If you want to stay on Googles good side and they don’t want you to do X, don’t do X. It’s not that difficult.
IF you REALLY didn’t do anything wrong and get penalized (much rarer then we’re led to believe) then speak up….they do actually listen.
Mitch Reply:
May 4th, 2009 at 10:40 am
@Dennis Edell, I’m not worried about it at all. Overall, I don’t care about PR; I do care about being listed, and if that happens, then I might worry a little bit more about it. You saw my traffic stats; search engines overall are less than 30%, and Google may be the big dog after that, but I still get 75% of my traffic from elsewhere.
As Sire said, I won’t be bullied.
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March 11th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Hey everyone, a possible British alternative maybe? I just read this -
http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2009/03/british-search-engine-could-rival-google.html/
March 12th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Hey there Dennis…thanks for the link love. Its definitely a scary story.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 9:13 am
@Mike Collins, No problem my friend, thanks for turning me on to it.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
its terrible because i too was banned from the services of adsense and they gave me the same reason as that guy and its terrible considering its an easy way to make money on the internet
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Dennis Edell Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 8:10 am
@almir, Sorry to hear of your troubles my friend, but I welcome you to our community!
April 8th, 2009 at 9:59 am
The ‘big G’ does try to keep everything hidden behind smoke & mirrors - this breeds resentment (applying a penalty to part of your site and not telling you that they have - then not telling you why - leaving you to guess and wait weeks to see if you have guessed right for example). I realise they cant publish too much stuff, but surely they can help us a little?
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Dennis Edell Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 8:00 am
@JasonTruckMaster, Very true. I can understand their algorithm hushness due to those that try to scam it, but they have definitly pushed it too far into other areas that needn’t be so secret.
I think (hope) the more people look for alternatives, the more they may realize their mistakes.
Welcome to the community Jason!
Ned Carey Reply:
April 13th, 2009 at 11:32 am
@Dennis Edell,
>I can understand their algorithm hushness due to those that try to scam it,
In one sense aren’t we all trying to scam it. Google considers a link to your site a vote for you site. If we are creating links isn’t it like voting for ourselves? This is clearly not what Google intends and they state it as such.
I truly wonder how many people that that are upset because they get slapped by Google have done things that are clearly against their overall policy but seemed to work in a past algorithm.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
April 13th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
@Ned Carey,
>If we are creating links isn’t it like voting for ourselves? This is clearly not what Google intends and they state it as such.<
I’m sure this is why they clearly state that natural contextual links get the most power.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
If there’s no proof that shows the site owner did indeed violate the terms and commit click fraud, then the owner has every right to the money. I don’t think it’s fair that Google can just close accounts at their leisure without probable cause.
As for the attorney’s rebuttal, I think everyone should sue Google if they were falsely accused. If you want any chance of getting the money you’re owed, it seems that would be the only course of action to get it.
It appears to be an ever increasing issue. I’m just happy it hasn’t happened to me yet. I’m still waiting for my first check, and hopefully it will be soon.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
April 17th, 2009 at 7:31 am
@Alan @ Work At Home Resources, Let us know when ya do!
I stopped using it quite a ways back (long before this blog was even an idea), but may stat up again with some niche blogging in the future.
I still have 30 something dollars sittin in my account.
Alan @ Work At Home Resources Reply:
April 17th, 2009 at 10:19 am
@Dennis Edell, I have close to $80 right now, but I keep testing different ad blocks and right now I’m not making much. Looks like I’ll have to make some changes!
I’ll let you know when I do finally get it.
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April 22nd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
who’d figure that would happen
i did hear a lot about this i feel bad for that guy
if that guy chooses to optimize his website google would probably blacklist his website since google is the big brother of the internet one day it will rule every thing that involves technology or the web
they probably got so fed up with people gaming adsense or paying out large amounts of cash to people so they decided to terminate his account but he will never be able to get another adsense account ever
i guess 721 dollars meant the world for him but i can’t blame it either since googles tos guideline are unfair to any blogger or publisher that uses their service because it clearly states that any earning made with adsense can be unpaid if they decide to cancel your account for any reason an whenever they choose to
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Mitch Reply:
May 5th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
@almir, You’re right, in a way Almir, but it’s patently unfair, and this lawsuit proved it. They didn’t cite him for click fraud; heck, they didn’t cite him for anything.
I received one of those emails once saying that my account might be in violation. Since I knew I wasn’t doing anything wrong, I figured it had to be tied into one of those blogging sites I belonged to where you had your number rotate with the sites number, which I never trusted, and never made any money from anyway.
It can look scary, for sure, especially if you’re making money from Adsense.
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June 1st, 2009 at 2:18 am
google is a big player in the internet, you can’t just beat them easily…
June 9th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I’m one who have google close my account in adsense.. :((
At first i’m wondering why my account have been banned and even creating a new account is not possible…so i decided to stop and delete my blog…that time i lost interest on making blogs…and lately i heard that google banned account in adsense…and the reason why is google is losing on this adsense..
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June 10th, 2009 at 3:10 am
i wonder maybe someday google will close for good, what would be the next big player on the internet…yahoo? yahoo adsense? haha
gilbert Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
@Michael, well i don’t think so..google is a strong company I’m sure they can find and overcome this problem…
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Baltimore Ned Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
@Michael,
Yea this isn’t even a blip n Google’s screen. As to who will replace them, it happens big players often fall with time. But they are usually replaced with a totally new player, someone with a new business model. Not likely Yahoo.
Ned Carey
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August 4th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Very inspiring…Google is a bit too powerful for my tastes so it’s always nice to see the little guy come out on top.
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
hope google not collapse
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Well, maybe this will serve as an idea for some law firm to start a class action against Google
Dennis Edell Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 9:06 am
@glass, Welcome to the community! P;ease use a real name in the future as outlined in the comment policy.
I’m sure a CA like that would go down as one of the biggest in history.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:02 am
I am not sure this is true.Google remains one of the best sites
December 15th, 2009 at 9:02 am
If everyone sues Google, then Google will cut the existing earning rate for the existing publishers. That means the “good” publishers will earn even lesser. Not good!
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December 27th, 2009 at 1:12 am
I cannot believe this. How can they lose this ?
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