UPDATED - We Will Stay Do-Follow, But…
Lucias Linky Love is installed!
For those that have no clue what I’m talking about, please read the rest of the post and leave me your thoughts. 
For everyone: No, I’m not going to tell you what the magic number is! Muahahahahahaha!! (But the highest number I could pick is 10)
If anyone thinks they have an issue here, please lt me know. 
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Now I realize this post and especially that header comes completely out of the blue. The reason for that is it all came to me just a couple hours ago.
I read a post on thoushallblog in which Yan discusses a conversation he had with Garry Conn.
The part that really caught my attention was Garry’s take on the effects of do-follow/no-follow within Google… it went further then the usual yadda yadda you read on the subject ALL OVER THE NET. LOL
I started thinking of how I too am starting to slowly gain a little PR on inner pages (yay me!) and how I really don’t want to lose that.
However, I still want to give the luv to those awesome regular readers/commenters of mine (y’all know who y’ar )
What to do, what to do…..
Aha! I’ve decided to switch-out my current do follow plugin for Lucias Linky Love.
For those that don’t know, this is the customized plugin that allows you to preset a number of comments (3-10) before the do follow turns on for a particular commenter.
Two birds-One stone….. Installing this will allow me too continue sharing the love with all you awesome regulars, while foiling the plans of those looking for the “one off” comment crap designed solely for a followed link-back.
No more juice for you evil beings, muahahahahahah!
I’m not sure what it will be set too, but I’m thinkin’ 10 for maximum effect; again regulars need not fret.
HINT: Be sure to tick the subscribe to comments box so you can also comment on other comments.
(There is another post coming dedicated solely to that plugin also…install now if you haven’t already. )
Please keep in mind before commenting, anyone against this idea may be considered a link-whoring spammer by the others…..make your objection a good one. Hehe.
Never stop pushing forward!
Dennis
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sherry
November 14th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
For some weird reason, I couldn’t get the Lucy’s Linky Love to work properly on my blog. Thing is whenever I activate the plugin, my adsense will just happily disappear out of the blue.
I hope anyone here can enlighten me with something. Is Lucy stealing my Adsense.
Yan
Blog for Beginners´s last blog post..8 Google Lessons I’ve Learned from Garry Conn
November 14th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Hey Yan, I’m sorry to hear that and I hope someone can come up with an answer.
I don’t now, nor do I plan to use adsense on this blog so I hope things go smooth when I install it.
November 14th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Hey Dennis,
thanks for sharing this plugin, will surely use it on my blog.
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November 14th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Hey no problem Norhafidz, I’m glad to hear it!
November 14th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
hey Dennis,
Good thing I stopped by. Being kinda new here, I better get another comment in!
When I saw your title, I was going to say don’t drop do-follow. I think it’s a good idea, and have it on my blog (but then I’m a new blogger that probably doesn’t know much).
I don’t think it causes much of a “PR” leak. From what I’ve read, only 15% of a page’s PR is available to go external, but then again, what do I know. I think Google has been reducing PR across the board, and I think it’s a bit overrated anyway.
All this said, I am interested in this plug in you mention, because from what I see, do-follow does increase comment spam, which I delete without hesitation. Anyway, the plug-in seems reasonable to me. What do you plan to set it at?
~ Steve (aka the “do follow” trade show guru)
Steve | Trade Show Guru´s last blog post..Joy of Fatherhood
November 14th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
hey Dennis,
Just kidding. Anyway, my point is, what to do about subscribing to a post and then getting 50 emails because of it?
To add to my comment above (I forgot), I would “subscribe to comment” which I used to, but I was getting bombarded by emails on posts (like it looks like some of yours have the potential for, no offense) that get 50-70 comments (this was happening on two other blogs I read).
If you subscribe to more than a few of these monster-comment-generating-posts it can be overwhelming. That said, I’d like to know, if I don’t subscribe, when and what the blogger replies to my comment. I don’t know what the solution is. Maybe if you got less comments on your post?
~ Steve (aka the busy trade show guru who doesn’t have time to go through 100 comment reply emails in the morning)
Steve | Trade Show Guru´s last blog post..Joy of Fatherhood
November 14th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Dennis ~
Like Yan … I don’t really want to have a problem with AdSense … hope that gets resolved.
I’ve heard of this too and I think it’s a great idea! Like you said … those who don’t … hmmmm … remember my comment pussy post?! LOL
I get bombarded with email from some of the posts I subscribe to … but I usually scan them and see if it I can learn from it … or if I’m overwhelmed I just delete and come back and read them all when I have time. *SmiLes* Suzanne
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November 14th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
It’s a good thing you installed the application. I see people leaving very simple comment on the “do-follow” links and that sort of makes me irritated. I like to read what bloggers have to say and vent about. It’s interesting and sometimes it gives me time to think about the issues.
November 14th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
This is a good thing to stop one-timers,but really, just how much is being leaked from a site for showing luv to commenters
Caleb´s last blog post..Some Obscure WordPress Plugins
November 14th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Hi Dennis,
I installed it long time ago, after reading this post I will look at this again.
Just a little more bit of digging on this.
Wayne.
November 14th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
I think I might be fuzzy about this. I installed and activated the dofollow plugin, and still get the nofollow link. I’m wondering if my theme code is buggy.
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November 14th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Either way you go, Dennis, at this point I think you have enough loyal followers to get away with anything you want to do here. Of course, being a regular, I know I’ll have no problems whatsoever.
Mitch´s last blog post..World Diabetes Day - My Story
November 14th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
I currently have my blog as a Do Follow and I think I am going to leave it that way for now. Since I do not lose to much PR, I will continue to work on other SEO tactics to make up for any link juice I give away!
Tara @ Affiliate Marketing Prodigy´s last blog post..New CPA Affiliate Network on The Block
November 14th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Hi Dennis,
thanks for the comment you gave me today, by the way love the way you come through in your words on your blog, you have it cracked.
You asked if you could subscribe to my blog by email, I will set it up as soon as I find out how, Dennis How and help lol.
Also if you don’t mind me letting you know I have just added a blog which lets you down load the latest software for Free which is going to change the face of blogging for ever..the Blog talk monitor by Jack Humphrey.
Happy blogging
Paul
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November 15th, 2008 at 1:13 am
Thanks for the post. Hope to see more articles regarding this one. It will really be a big help.
Thank you
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November 15th, 2008 at 2:47 am
Now this sounds like a great idea as you are rewarding your regular commentators. I don’t really mind the run on by commentators as long as they leave something useful.
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November 15th, 2008 at 6:09 am
Dennis, I have also set to 5 comments after that the do follow is removed. If there are less than 5 comments then there won’t be dofollow on the comment section.
Nihar´s last blog post..Friday Night Links Party - 14 November 2008
November 15th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Hi Dennis,
I fully understand the reason behind the minimum comment amount before you have do follow. Even many forums now have gone to a minimum post count before you can run a signature line for the same basic reason (meaningless post just for a link).
With my blog script I have a choice of do follow or no follow link on a per comment basis. Therefore I kinda pick and choose whom I give a do follow to. If they have added to the conversation, I am more likely to do follow link on the comment.
The do or no follow seems to really come into play with Google but not so much with Yahoo. I also know that Google is God & we should respect that but, even with a ‘no follow juice boost’ you are getting eyes on your name & any info you share when you leave comments. That sometimes counts for allot.
After watching this same conversation for awhile now -
I am trying to decide if someone post a comment & they have no follow links on their site should I give them no follow at mine?
If someone post & has do follow links on their site then they would get do follow from me?
That of course would surly lead to some mad people. LOL!
I’ll keep watching to see how other peoples ‘test’ turn out.
Sheryl
November 15th, 2008 at 11:27 am
That’s a very nice idea… It even benefits you in gaining comments and your commentators in gaining links. That’s really cool plugin. Thanks for the mention of that
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November 15th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Steve - I didn’t think the leakage meant a whole lot either until I saw Garry’s remarks on it. He really did put a “spin” on it that I hadn’t read before…it’s linked above, you may want to check it out also.
Subscribe to comments - I feel ya buddy. LOL. Since I started my blog commenting strategy, my own emails have boosted several hundred per day or so.
It has improved my speed reading skills, so that ain’t all bad. LOL
Seriously though, as we bloggers try to stress so often, it’s not all about the comment itself. Rather it’s about building the community, friendships and connections.
In this regard, responding to those that respond to you, is just as important as Bloggers responding to comments in the first place. Know what I mean?
Now, there is another (I think it’s a plugin) that only sends the commenter an email if it’s a response to his/her comment…I think that’s how it works. perhaps it works with threaded comments (coming with WP 2.7), but I can’t say for sure yet.
“My” problem with this is, I really don’t want to lose the STC plugin, so that would actually send TWO emails for every comment…..I’m thinkin’ about it though.
LOL @ less comments - no way dude! It took months and a total blog re-format to get to this.
There’s 1 or 2 new posts coming in regards to what we’re discussing here…watch for it!
November 15th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Suzanne - I do not remember that post…I will indeed check it out! LOL
Scanning is good. As I mentioned to Steve, it’s really boosted my speed reading skills.
Dennis´s last blog post..We Will Stay Do-Follow, But…
November 15th, 2008 at 11:45 am
hey Dennis!
I thought about using that plugin “ages” ago, after getting bombarded with spam comments and the “yeah great post” … well you know them
I actually did install it at one point but like Yan, I just couldn´t get it to work right with the theme I was using at that moment …. come to think of it, I might give it another try now, after reading this post. LOL not that a lot of linkjuice would leave my door anyways, not that many comments at present.
Would love to see a follow up post on how you think it is working out for you, do you really think people that arrive on a blog thinking it is do-follow will actually double check on comment policy/do-follow/lucy link love plugins before dumping their comments on your blog?
have a great weekend!
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November 15th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Jamie - Very well put and I understand exactly what you mean…it will be installed this weekend.
November 15th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Caleb - As i mentioned to Steve, you should read the post on Yan’s blog that I linked to above.
I think Garry did a really good job of explaining things
November 15th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Wayne - I’m glad to hear it and happy I could help. Let us know how it works out for ya.
November 15th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Witchy - Hmm odd, which do follow plugin are you using (there are quite a few by now) and how are you checking the links?
November 15th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Mitch - You’re one of the first I thought of my friend.
LOL
“you have enough loyal followers to get away with anything you want to do here.“…hmm, muahahahhahaha!
November 15th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Tara - Do Follow will never actually leave any of my blogs (current or future)…i just like the idea of making it a wee more difficult for those merely out for the link and little else,
Other tactics are always good! Of course, I’m always looking for more link love tactics as well.
November 15th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Paul - Thanks much for the kind words, it’s greatly appreciated! I’ll contact you ASAP regarding the email feed.
I’ve seen Jack’s latest but haven’t really looked into it yet. He’s a good guy that knows his stuff for sure.
November 15th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Good afternoon, Dennis,
Let me start by saying that I think some people pay too much attention to trying to guess how Google works. Perhaps it’s worth the effort for some people, but not for me.
I’m not that interested in Google page rank.
What I’m interested in is real people who visit my websites, buy the products I recommend, participate in the conversations, and find what I write to be useful in some way.
I’m going to continue with the dofollow links in comments on my blog, and I really don’t care if it may lose some of my “link juice.” That’s not the point of blogging, for me.
As long as I continue to get more readers, rank well in the search engines, and earn a living doing what I love, I’ll be a happy blogger.
Yan’s interview with Garry is an interesting read, but I just don’t think I agree with the conclusions.
But, that’s the beauty of blogging. We can all have our opinions, and do what we want with our own blogs.
Act on your dream!
JD
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November 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Diana - You’re welcome! I see you a lot around the sphere; good job.
November 15th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Sire - Useful is definitely the KEY word there. This is exactly why this plugin was customized.
November 15th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Uh oh, the power has gone to his head; run!!!
Mitch´s last blog post..My Website Marketing Book Again
November 15th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Excellent Nihar, I’m glad it’s workin’ out for ya! I haven’t totally decided on the set number yet.
November 15th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Very well said, John; I knew there was a reason I liked you. lol
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November 15th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Mitch - My super powers will stop ya!
November 15th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Sheryl - Good stuff, I’ll take it one paragraph at a time.
I’ve noticed this in some forums now also, and think it’s a great idea…far too much forum spam going around and it’s very distracting to real forum marketers.
I’m thinkin’ of doing the same when - err - if my forum goes up.
What blog script is that; can you share?
As with almost everything else so far, the other SE’s will follow the leader eventually…I’d bank on it.
You also made another good point on how it’s not just about the link-back…juiced or not it is STILL a very visible link for all to see and click on if they so desire…this is why its so important to not leave crappy spammy comments.
Also - even if they don’t pass juice, they still get INDEXED…so many never even take that into account.
This is the point I tried to get across again when discussing my Scratchback widget.
Last paragraph - ok this isn’t such a swell idea. LOL.
It reminds me of how the eBay feedback system got so screwy so fast with the “wait to see what the other guy does first” method.
We need to be BETTER then the other guy! (Or woman as the case may be.)
November 15th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Pavan - Exactly right! Let us all know if you install it and how it works out.
November 15th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Hey John, I love the way you think and we do think A LOT alike; and not just on this issue.
But ya know, it is still important to potential advertisers (for someone thats into getting advertisers) and will be for the foreseeable future.
Plus…well yea, it does give me the warm and fuzzies sometimes to see the green thingy stickin’ out there…so to speak. LOL
Just a wee extra boost to think someone else thinks you’re “doin’ ok”.
November 15th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Mirjam - Oh yea, I know the ones. LOL
“do you really think people that arrive on a blog thinking it is do-follow will actually double check on comment policy/do-follow/lucy link love plugins before dumping their comments on your blog?”
In short, yes. I’ve done it myself before I knew of these customizable ones. A LOT of pure link seekers will do it for sure.
In my case and others, it’s because many bloggers start off do follow, put up the badge, then switch to no follow and either forget to remove the badge or “forget” to remove the badge. (See the difference?)
It’s not so much that I care about the do follow as it is that I’m not going patronize a blogger that will actually try to scam just for comments.
November 15th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Oops forgot, yes I will try to do a follow-up after a while….let us know also if you do reinstall it.
November 15th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I read it fully and now believe that PR leakage can be resolved by maintaining a high click-through rate.
Once again,it’s all about steady traffic…
Caleb´s last blog post..Some Obscure WordPress Plugins
November 15th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Caleb - I’m not sure I understand what CTR has to do with PR leakage in comments. Can you explain further?
November 16th, 2008 at 2:08 am
I have never had a problem with losing PR from do-follow pages and several of my inner pages are PR 2 and 3 now,
I do not agree with Garry on this issue, or many others for that matter..but that’s another post. I respect your decision, and any blogger’s decision’s in regards to their blogs, and thanks for keeping the luv for the regulars!
JR @ Internet Marketing Strategies´s last blog post..Blog Traffic - 100 RSS/Blog Submission Sites
November 16th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Hello again Dennis,
We run all of our blogs on the b2evolution script.
I started 1 blog with this script just so we could test it out. I ended up keeping it and do most of my ‘testing’ there. I will say that it is my favorite blog that we have. It goes against all the ‘proper’ rules of blogging, guess that is what makes it fun! I change keywords, tags, metatags.. on each of the 7 blogs now and again just to see what happens. LOL!
I belong to a site that has a few SEO experts and I am going to see what they have to say about the follow links - most of what they deal with are regular static sites not blogs.
A while back I saw a community of DoFollow blog owners but, can not remember where. I know that they police themselves as far as checking to make sure you are a DoFollow site.
As far as inner pages moving up in Google searches - I do allot of perma link (backlinking) and the post that I have done this with have shown great improvement.
Now I am off to check out JR’s RSS submission sites.
Most of my blog reading comes from following peoples comment links.
Have a great day!
November 16th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Hi Dennis, I think this a great option, and one that all people should consider before they go dofollow, personally I wouldn’t go dofollow in the first place.
BTW, I dropped you an email.
Danny Cooper´s last blog post..Blog Commentating - The Results
November 16th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Hey JR, he may be right, he may be wrong; it made sense when I read it. LOL
Honestly though, seeing the response this received from regular readers like yourself, I’m exceptionally happy with ,my decision.
I did pose the question to Garry about my Lucias decision, so I may even update the post again.
November 16th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Hey Sheryl, thanks for stopping back.
I looked a little into b2 among others when I first started blogging many moons ago…
The combination of not knowing much of anything and WP being the “place to be” led me to where I am; no regrets at all though!
I’d be interested to hear what your expert friends have on the subject.
I do my share of internal linking as well, and it seems to work nicely! Is that what you meant?
I believe the community is Andy Beards on BumpZEE, yes? I am member but haven’t been there for a while.
CommentLuv is AWESOME! Can you use it on a b2 blog?
November 16th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Good post.I haven´t installed Lucia´s Linky Love but I use CommentLuv instead and it´s a fantastic plugin.It´s only fair that those who take the time to write a constructive comment will get a link back to their sites.
Tom @ The Home Business Archive´s last blog post..7 Sins Of Ad Copy
November 16th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Hey Danny boy! (Sorry lol) thanks for dropping by.
Why again do you not use it at all?
Oh, I haven’t checked email yet (strange for me), but I will shortly; thanks.
November 16th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Hey Tom, welcome to the community!
You said “instead”. I do not believe CommentLuv is do follow on it’s own, which is why most use both that and a do follow plugin if they wish to give both to readers.
November 16th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Great discussion here indeed. The issue of “dofollow and nofollow” never fail to spark a great debate among bloggers. Keep those discussion open. Let this article be featured for another day or so and let’s see how it goes….
Yan
Blog for Beginners´s last blog post..How I Increase My Email Subscribers by 60 in 7 Days
November 16th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Yan - this is why I extended my “popular posts” from 5-7 when it was about 40 comments.
November 16th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Looks like an effective plugin , but I am not going to install it
…I ll give my readers and commentators the benefit of doubt even if the comment is - Great Post 
, even posting two words takes an effort..
November 16th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Hi Dennis,
I guess will switch over to the plugin that you recommended as well. This looks like a great plugin to reward the commentators but at the same time ward off any comment spammers. Thanks for the share.
Wei Liang
Wei Liang | ABloggerBlog´s last blog post..Lesson 18 - Search Engine Optimizations
November 16th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Hi Dennis,
I read the Garry interview and I still don’t really agree on the idea of “leaking PR” or that it is of much consequence, but then I don’t know that much. That said, I think installing the Lucias plugin is a good idea to (hopefully) discourage spammy comments and “reward” regulars.
~ Steve (aka the trade show guru)
Steve | Trade Show Guru´s last blog post..Spiderman War
November 17th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Dennis,
I think Gary is wrong. Perhaps he knows what is correct but explained it wrong.
What Google says
The PR given for a link is divided by the number of links out. One link out has full value. 10 links out have 1/10th of the value.
Google does NOT say that having outbound links leaks your PR. Outbound links do not affect your PR (unless to bad sites). You cannot give away your PR. That is where I think Gary is wrong.
(if I am wrong on this point and someone can document it, please do)
BUT a good site should have good internal linking. Most of us have the highest PR for our home pages. Internal links from the home page will pass PR to other pages. IF you do follow links out, some of that PR will pass to the links out and some to the internal links. In this regard Gary is correct.
BUT the best way to pass PR internally is from the home page with the most PR, to the other pages that you want to rank highly. There generally are no comments on the home page, so do follow comments will not effect the amount of PR passed from the home page. So having do follow comments may not hurt your internal linking as much as you might think.
Furthermore, will requiring more comments simply cause “link-whoring spammers” (I just had to use that line) to add more unwanted comments?
TO me the quality of the comment is probably the most important, as to whether a comment gets to be followed or not. Does anyone make a plugin that lets you select by comment which ones get followed?
I think the best case for Do Follow is made here;
http://www.realestatebloglab.com/real-estate-blogging/a-fable-do-follow-and-comments/
In this post Dave Smith says you get more if you give more.
The choice to follow or not, is not a simple one. Hence I have procrastinated and made easier changes to my blog.
Ned Carey
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November 17th, 2008 at 3:15 am
Hmmm…nice one! I am off to get linky love. Now the question is, since I am rssing your blog….I think I should get some love before I hit the magic number! JK…I am happy to recieve based on merit and what a great tip relative to sharing PR…you definitely don’t want garbage.
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November 17th, 2008 at 5:13 am
This is a nice thing Dennis. Will go ahead and use it on my blog right away! Thanks for this
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November 17th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
ZK - NOW ya tell me. hehe
November 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Wei - Exactly right my friend. I’m glad I could inspire you, let me know how it works out for ya.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Steve - Even if it doesn’t stop the drivebys, it still works in my favor….if I don’t like the comment I can delete it as always….if the comment is even half ok I can keep it and they get no “juice” from it.
Another nifty little trick is to just edit out the URL….no traffic whatsoever is passed.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Hey Ned, thanks for the awesome feedback! Lets take a couple points…
“Google does NOT say that having outbound links leaks your PR. Outbound links do not affect your PR (unless to bad sites). You cannot give away your PR. That is where I think Gary is wrong.
(if I am wrong on this point and someone can document it, please do)”
Of course they do. All “followed” links give some juice. This is why Google killed and will continue to kill sites that sell links without No Follow attached.
Internal linking is a different issue, but you’re right; it is VERY important.
As for the rest regarding “link whores” lol, check out what I said to Steve right above you….easily taken care of with a click or two.
I haven’t read the Dave Smith article (yet) but I totally agree with give more to get more; this blog is proof of that in many ways.
I’m all about the love…to those that deserve it.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
@Pat & Arun - I’m happy to have inspired you as well! Please let me know how the plugin works out for you too.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Pat - I went to your blog and it looks awesome from the home page.
Please look into a couple things though, ASAP…
1. Your single post page background is all red with no white; I can barely read a letter.
2. There is a fatal error showing under comments…It may very well be a conflict with plugins. If you need any help let me know.
3. Please install a subscribe to comments plugin (unless this is the error)…I’d love to subscribe to your blog, but much prefer it have this plugin as well.
Sorry to put this here, but I couldn’t find a contact page. (That would be #4
)
November 17th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
hi Dennis,
It’s fun to watch the number of comments on this post grow. I wonder if it has anything to do with your new policy?
Just so I’m adding something of value here, for Pat, if she reads this, I use IE6 and I see a white background on all the pages, but I also see the error message Dennis mentioned.
Shows that it’s important to look at your blog on multiple browsers.
~ Steve (aka the trade show guru)
PS. Yeh, I know IE6 is for cavemen but I’m waiting to upgrade until I get a new computer.
Steve | Trade Show Guru´s last blog post..Please help Will
November 17th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
LOL Steve - I’m not even mentioning it in my actual comment policy.
Pat - Sorry I didn’t check it in IE….I just did in IE7 and it IS OK. However in Firefox (which a ton of users are switching too on a daily basis) individual post pages are ALL RED as I mentioned.
You may want to check it in another bowser or two also when you can.
November 17th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Hi Dennis,
Do you know any good alternatives on this? I upgraded to WP2.7 beta 3.
By the way beta 3 is another overhaul of the back administration of wordpress, I am sure everybody will love it.
November 17th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Hi Wayne!
Alternatives to Lucias do follow plugin? There are quite a few of these plugins available now, just Google, Do Follow plugin and you’ll get some pages.
Are you saying Lucias doesn’t work with 2.7??
Btw, I don’t do BETA’s (yet, wait or a cool announcement) and I will never do them on any main blog of mine….way too many bad things happen to me. LOL
November 18th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Hey Dennis,
I was already to post and then saw the letters IE. I had to wait until I could pull the flaming sharp sticks out of my eyes before I could do this reply.
OK, just joking so flames on the sharp sticks.LOL!
When you said ‘I do my share of internal linking as well, and it seems to work nicely! Is that what you meant?’
I call internal linking - links within a domain to other pages within the same domain.
I do that when I can within articles to make it a bit more of a pain in the butt for post thieves.
Of course you also have your internal links to your directories….
What I mean by ‘I do allot of perma link backlinks’ is when I post comments I try to leave a URL to an individual page not just the main domain URL.
In fact I am in the process of writing a post on a great way I do this and have been seeing hits. It will be a day before I get that post out as I started a a toy drive this morning on my blog.
Yes, I like to do several things at once.
I also see that a few other commenters are kinda with me on the dofollow links idea.
We may never know the ‘real’ answer and if we do - they will change the rule. LOL!
Since this is my 3rd post on this article am I now a comment whore? LOL!
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November 18th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Dennis - I got the CTR deduction from the following part of the interview:
Y: Understood! My question is even though I dollow all the outbound links, why Google rewarded that page with PR2?
G: Because Google finds the page to be valuable based of natural human behavior.
The page has had interest among people
People come and go
People come to see it… people leave
People link to it
People talk about it
Google knows
Google is not only a search engine but also an artificial intelligence, it monitors human behaviors
Pay close attention to what I bold faced. The leakage was balanced by having constant “human” activity which equates to having consistent CTR…what do you think on this
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November 18th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Sheryl - OK now we’re on the same page; yes that’s what I meant by internal linking also.
As for your permalink backlinks, I say BRAVO! That’s exactly what you should do.
I look forward to your upcoming post on it to see if I’m missing anything. Can you post a link here when it’s done please…I haven’t found how to subscribe to your blog via email.
A comment whore? Nope, not yet. In fact you’re sill no-follow. Hehe
The plugin works on a certain number of overall comments, not each individual post (easier this way anyway), so feel free to browse the blog.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Caleb - I see where you’re going but I think you’re oversimplifying it a bit.
What you say makes a lot of sense and I’m sure it’s a player, but there are sooo many things that go into the algorithm and it changes all the time, that trying to figure it out is like trying to hold back water…just ain’t worth it dude. LOL
For instance, you most certainly should have bolded linking, which is basically Googles backbone to ranking…they’ve made that one thing quite clear at least.
November 19th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
t sounds interesting and all, but I think for the time being, I’ll just continue on my DoFollow ways…I’m certainly going to be reading that post you linked to though after I finish posting this comment and subscribing to follow-ups by email
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November 19th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Hey Nick, mines not goin’ anywhere; just bumping up the requirements a bit…better for all concerned.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:41 pm
I just recently changed my blog to do follow from the Wordpress default no follow using sem do follow plugin. I have heard of the Lucia plugin however the only ones I really don’t want having followed links on my blog are spam comments and askimet is pretty good at getting those.
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November 22nd, 2008 at 9:11 am
SEO - Akismet is awesome at controlling the auto-spam….like the porn with 1001 links in it.
What I’m controlling is the human spam…worthless drive by comments only designed for a link-back.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:27 am
I’m using Lucias_Linky Love and it’s working fine on my site. So far, so good. I also want to thank you for your great comments on my site, Dennis. We’re all in this together and I appreciate your insights!
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November 22nd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Hey Joan, thanks so much for stopping by and welcome to the community!
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Hi Dennis,
This sounds like a good plugin. But at the moment I’ll just keep it status quo for me as my akismet filters my spam comments and I moderate them too. Perhaps I will in future. Thanks for sharing.
Peter Lee
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November 23rd, 2008 at 2:14 am
good info about this plugin. my thought about title here is that you use do follow but in same time u look like not use do follow before the comment change after countdown time to get title of comment do follow. very cool dofollow plus nofollow.
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:51 am
I wouldn’t mind the some of the drive-by responses I get if they’d at least TRY to contribute something to the conversation….but you’re right, most are in it for the link.
I will look into the Linky Love.
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November 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Peter - I also use Akismet for the auto-generated crap like porn as mentioned above, plus I moderate human spam….this however give me an evil tee-hee type chuckle…
I leave the so-so just made it past the mark type comment, while knowing they aren’t getting much from it.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Busby - I had to read the comment a couple times, lol, but you’re right and thanks!
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Andy - Let us know how it works out for ya, good or bad!
November 24th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Thanks for the tip on the Linky-Love. I’m new to blogging so tips like this are appreciated.
Best,
TAM
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November 24th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Tam - Welcome to the community! You’re welcome and thank you for stopping by; I hope to see more of you.
December 3rd, 2008 at 5:33 am
Dear Dennis,
I glad to inform you this a informative post thanks for important plugins I’ll install.
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December 3rd, 2008 at 10:33 am
Thanks truck, I hope it helps - welcome to the community!
(Please leave a real name somewhere in future comments.
)
December 6th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
I also have a do follow blog and it’s just set to alert me to a first time commenter. My thinking is that if I approve you once and give you love then why would I stop loving you later. I’ll have to read the post in question but my previous readings show no proof of any of leeching away of page rank. It sounds like fear-mongering to me.
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December 6th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Hey Tom, welcome to the community!
I only modersate the first one also, but ALL comments do come through my email just in case.
The plugin for me is mainly to stop the “drivebys” right from the beginning.
Thanks for the input! I checked out your blog, and have subscribed.
December 9th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Hi Dennis,
Sounds like a very good idea to reward your regular visitors and deter the messers.
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December 10th, 2008 at 9:55 am
So far so good.
December 14th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
I’m sure Garry Conn is much more informed about the no-follow issue than I am but I’ve searched far and wide for anything remotely official from Google that removing the tag helps with PageRank or position.
It’s a big debate so this could be a cool experiment. Yan said he would experiment a little too so it will be interesting if you see any positive change. Too bad Google has to be so close mouthed about these matters like it was national security or something.
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December 15th, 2008 at 9:38 am
eh ya know Brian, it really doesn’t matter lol. Like I said, the main advantage to this particular plugin is still rewarding regulars while fooling the fools just dropping links never to be seen again.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Hi Dennis,
I recommend you SEO Master and Robots Meta they are similar yet they have some functions that the other doesn’t have. I installed them recently you should check them out. As for the do follow I applied similar stuff in my blog I set it to 10 min for do follow. I also enabled top commenter only on the home page but reversed it because it altered the look of my template. So it is back on every page. Google hates site wide links some SEOs believe that they may even be discounted if not relevant enough. Still, no body knows for sure. One of the plugins I mentioned has a similar function to linky love 10 min for do follow. Check them out I am sure you will like them.
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December 16th, 2008 at 3:54 am
Hi Dennis
First time here saw your name around and I’m going to check out your contest post next. As far as do follow comment and keyword luv and all that we shall soon see what the effects of all those are soon enough we’re due for an update;) Anyway I keep them all and do foresee waking up and seeing that Page rank bar clean of the green
Ah it’s be nice to say who cares but everyone cares
I hope 2009 is the year that all bloggers reach out to each other and realize you can only go so far on your own;) Great attitude and blog
Peace Happy Holidays
Stumbled
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December 16th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Archie - I’ll check those out, but I dunno if I need extra function just for the purpose of do follow.
Google has made it quite clear that they do not like non-relevant sites linking to one another, so you are correct there.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Hey John, welcome to the community!
I couldn’t agree more; all bloggers must reach out to each other. If we all tried to go it alone, no one would succeed much. it is most certainly a community based industry.
Thanks for the stumble!
December 29th, 2008 at 7:54 am
This is a very good move. You’ll get a boost in comments from new bloggers and you’ll maintain your regulars, not to mention save some of your PR.
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December 29th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Right on all 3 counts, thanks Shirley.
December 31st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
I’m thinking you should consider adding another plugin, to allow people to reply to comments directly, there’s so many on this page its hard to scroll back up and remember what they said, althought that could just be my blondness
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December 31st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
We’ve already told Dennis about Threaded Comments, but he’s waiting until he upgrades, which does beg the question: Dennis, have you upgraded to 2.7 yet?
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December 31st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
No Desi it’s not you, quite a few readers are waiting for it lol.
Mitch is correct, I was waiting anxiously and eagerly for 2.7 to arrive for it’s threaded integration (I’m already in meetings for my plugin addiction issues).
However, even as I type this I am on the hunt for the best threaded plugin…compatible with everything else and all that jazz. Due to reasons I won’t bore you with here, it doesn’t look like I will be upgrading for a bit.
Brian’s Threaded comments is in the lead. I’ll post about it once I choose and install one.
December 31st, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Brian’s Threaded Comments is the plugin I use, and it seems to work pretty good. I’ve been satisfied with the performance. However, I have recently been playing a bit wtih 2.7 and really like some of the things they have integrated…I may be upgrading in the near future!
Nick´s last blog post..I Found Two More Feeds To Subscribe To
January 1st, 2009 at 10:40 am
Hey Nick, I have no idea on my upgrade, but I am looking forward to a few things.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
So is this plugin different than commentluv? Are they compatable? Sometimes I just have to let my plugins fight it out! BTW- I didn’t get an email back from you, but I am still willing to donate a prize worth $55- a microdermabrasion treatment that can be used by male or female for instant skin improvement and antiaging.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
January 7th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Hey Nancy, yes do follow and commentluv are two different plugins and compatible.
I’m sorry, I never got an email with that info. Can you send again and we can discuss it. Thanks!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
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January 22nd, 2009 at 10:04 am
PS — I think 10 is a great number — if someone wants to get involved, they will anyway. If they are only there for a one-off, they’ll drop that, maybe another, and then be gone…
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Dennis Edell Reply:
January 22nd, 2009 at 11:39 am
@Matty Byloos, exactly right!
Btw, PS? Did I miss a comment?
Matty Byloos Reply:
January 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 am
@Dennis Edell,
– Miss a comment how? Like did I leave one that you missed, or was I responding to one that you may have missed?
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Dennis Edell Reply:
January 22nd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
@Matty Byloos,
Either way. PS usually means “in addition too”.
Matty Byloos Reply:
January 22nd, 2009 at 1:48 pm
@Dennis Edell, Hmmm… I don’t think you did. Not to worry either way. Thanks for checking though.
Matty Byloos´s last blog post..Wordless Wednesday: 1.21.09
Dennis Edell Reply:
January 22nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
@Matty Byloos, cool then, thx.
January 22nd, 2009 at 10:09 am
For what it’s worth I went do follow about 7 months ago.
In this latest round of Google algo madness they moved my page rank from 3 to 4 and back to 3 six different times. Now I’ve stabilized for a week at 4.
Perhaps I’m on the bubble?
I have no idea is my link juice is being sapped or not?
Tom Volkar / Delightful Work´s last blog post..Time and Money
Dennis Edell Reply:
January 22nd, 2009 at 11:41 am
@Tom Volkar / Delightful Work, do you mean slapped?
If so then no, I don’t think do. It’s pretty common for some PR to fluctuate like that for a few days after an update. I haven’t seen it on mine, but I’ve heard of it plenty of times.
Tom Volkar / Delightful Work Reply:
January 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 pm
@Dennis Edell, No I meant sapped as in: to undermine; weaken or destroy insidiously. I thought there was some myth that do follow somehow could diminish ones page rank by being linked to lower page rank sites.
But I could not find anything definitive on it.
Tom Volkar / Delightful Work´s last blog post..Time and Money
Dennis Edell Reply:
January 22nd, 2009 at 1:42 pm
@Tom Volkar / Delightful Work,
All do-follow links sap it a bit, that’s what do-follow means. Unless you’re linking to a “bad neighborhood” though, the particular site you’re linking to really doesn’t matter.
That make sense?
January 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 pm
We created one of these popular do follow list only to see its value be diminished by comment spammers. It seemed like such a good idea in the beginning only to see the selfish destroy its value and good will. I completely understand your position.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:09 am
@Geri,
Hey Geri, welcome to the community! Do you still maintain the list or just gave up on it?
January 23rd, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Yes, we have been maintaining them. We have put over a thousand hours in this project since may. We are doing that right now. The list has shrunk from 320 down to 130. This is mostly due to comment spam!
Geri´s last blog post..The 109 Day Link Building Explosion - Day 23
Dennis Edell Reply:
January 23rd, 2009 at 5:50 pm
@Geri, good work. It’s good to see someones on the ball with those lists.
February 6th, 2009 at 9:38 am
I think using Lucia’s Linky Love (or similar) is an excellent idea. What happens is your site’s pr isn’t bleed to spammers, AND those loyal commenters will have a much more authoritative backlink. I would suggest the maximum of 10 comments before dofollows are allowed for this reason. I believe 10 is the max option for Lucia’s.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 10:11 am
@Colleen - Kennewick Real Estate,
It is the max and it is set, thanks for understanding.
March 9th, 2009 at 8:39 am
I think commenting on other blog is the best way to SEO.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 8:54 am
@clickktdotcom, Welcome to the community!
However, I just fished 3 of your comments out of Akismets spam filter, please check the comment policy linked below and comment accordingly in the future.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:28 am
I think allowing Do-Follow encourages more readers to comment because they’re getting rewarded in the process. Consequently, there’s many that take advantage of it and end up spamming just to get the backlink. I think what you did in providing clearly outlined commenting rules is the best thing to do.
I personally would rather have a strong readership and active community with regular commentators versus maybe losing some PageRank because of it.
Alan Mater
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Dennis Edell Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:02 am
@Alan @ Work At Home Resources, Welcome to the community!
Good point, and your right. Besides my rules I also use a do follow plugin that allows me to assign a number to how many comments it takes before the link gets followed.
This foils the plans of any drive by garbage that happens to get past me also.
Alan @ Work At Home Resources Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:22 am
@Dennis Edell, Thanks for the welcome. I’ve subscribed to your blog and look forward to being a regular reader of yours.
I read your post about the plugin and think that’s a good idea. I may even implement it on my own blog as I occasionally get stupid “great post!” comments that I just delete, or people that only post one time and that’s it. I also think it will encourage one time posters to comment more often and maybe turn them into a regular reader.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:30 am
@Alan @ Work At Home Resources,
Awesome idea; that’s the other thing I attempt to do with it. However, then you need to watch for numerous comments all in a row from the same person; this could easily be an attempt to just get above the plugin count so they all turn do follow.
You gotta watch for the same thing with the top commenter plugin.
Dennis Edell Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:32 am
@Alan @ Work At Home Resources,
Btw, so far I’ve fished ALL your comments out of the Akismet spam filter; this isn’t normal so you may want to look into that.
Alan @ Work At Home Resources Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:42 am
@Dennis Edell,
Yes, that’s very true. I’m wondering if it wouldn’t be better to just not even tell them of that stipulation, but then it doesn’t encourage them to come back. You’re just going to have people like that that try to beat the system.
Thanks for the heads up. Any idea what the cause might be?
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Dennis Edell Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
@Alan @ Work At Home Resources, Oh yea, scammers will be among us to the end.
Not really. The only thing I can think of for that is if someone or ones hit the spam button on you. Akismet is programmed to “remember” and sometimes it’s difficult to climb back out. I’d contact any other blogs you comment on regularly and see if you’re trapped there as well.
Alan @ Work At Home Resources Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
@Dennis Edell,
Hmm… I’m not sure why that would have happened as I’m not one to go around spamming on blogs. I’ll ask some others and see if it’s the same for them. Thanks.
Alan @ Work At Home Resources´s last blog post..Are You Frustrated With Affiliate Marketing?
April 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
why thats really nice of you
i love reading your posts they always have something interesting to say
commenting on your blogs post is only a benefit behind the process but is not the main focus
i really enjoy reading your posts because they give me a lot of great ideas as i’m also a reader of yours
i am also a dofollow believer
i believe in rewarding your readers with a backlink just because they visited your blog and took the time to read it since they subscribed to your feed as well as leave a link as well
May 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Actually when you’re rewarding visitors with back links you are also indirectly rewarding yourself as well. It’s the right hand washing the left and vice versa.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
May 9th, 2009 at 11:33 am
@Hanna @ Delta Squadron, Absolutely, it’s a great way to build up a community; and welcome Hanna!
June 8th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
good post dennis..
but subscribing to comments keep my Inbox full of emails..but on the other hand it can reminds me to go back to the blogs where i post comment..
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June 9th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Hi Dennis,
This has been a pet issue of mine for some time now - the “nofollow” issue.
I like to think that good blog posts will attract well thought out, constructive comments and if so, over time they should be allowed some back link reward.
The right commenters will then continually come back and a robust community of people can share their experiences. This is a “global” community and it is a way of leveraging different thoughts and ideas across the world. What works in one location or country may be different in another.
I do take exception to innane comments such as “nice blog” - they should be punted forever. Well done in putting this into your guidelines.
The bottom line is that we all have many different motives for participating in blogs. Mine is to learn and contribute and get some “love” back to our website. I won’t hide from the fact that I want better rankings for our web pages. However, search engines are only one way of getting people to your website. Referrals from other sites, such as a good blog is high on the priority list, as well as the traditional sales and marketing strategies.
Regards
Geoff
Dennis Edell Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
@Geoff, Hey Geoff, just dropping by a little late (see latest post) to welcome you to the community; I hope to see you around more often!
July 18th, 2009 at 6:58 am
hi,
I’m one of the dofollow fans! I loved your article because it gave me a lot of good ideeas! thanks a lot!
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Dennis Edell Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 8:38 am
@emo, Thanks my friend and welcome to the community!
October 24th, 2009 at 4:47 am
To be honest, I think this is a good idea (I didn’t comment before, skimmed over this post!) - and although on our own blog (see link) we are fully “do follow”, we moderate quite harshly.
I like the idea of rewarding regular contributors over fly-bys and the like, though, and may incorporate that in the future!
Dennis Edell Reply:
October 26th, 2009 at 5:18 am
@Matt Chatterley,
Good luck my friend!
December 9th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Great idea, it means the comments are worth reading but still gives regular commentators some rewards!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
I think Lucia’s Linky Love is a great invention. I’d much rather visit a blog that has familiar names commenting and that increases the chance of folks coming back.
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Dennis Edell Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
@Dwippy,
Welcome to the community Dwippy, I hope to see you around more often!
Now there must be a story behind that name.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Hopefully you dont change your mind and preset to 1001! I think I will drop dead from commenting
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